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		<title>Comment on FORN STARS AND FROSTITUTES by selfexpress</title>
		<link>http://thenewcomer.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/forn-stars-and-frostitutes/#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>selfexpress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our admiration toward &#039;Western Package&#039; (the way that we - Iranians - define) is unique as you said, part of those we want parts we don&#039;t want. But it is not confined to seks life. it includes many other aspects as well. Let say, start working at teenage, traveling on your own (again) as a teenage, women working as hard as men, at work business is more important that flirting! with colleagues, working so hard at work and not spending time at office for internet chatting and surfing (yes, these happens in west as well but you can not hide the low productive time in Iranian offices for average &#039;karmand&#039;!) economic/budget life style of average man in west comparing the luxurious one that all middle class families in iran always follow - read &#039;cheshm o hamcheshmi&#039;! women want to be independent and feminist and have same rights while looking for &#039;mehrieh anchenani&#039; and a land and apartment for &#039;poshte ghabale&#039; poeple reading books in buses and taxis (west) and poeple talking behind each other and spending time in beauty saloon for &#039;arayesh khaliji&#039; and such and such and high level of cosmatic surgeries and ... 

one more thing, what about those girls having seks with their boy-friends and talking about freedom, but as soon as they find a rich boy from religious/traditional family they completely change and go for those surgeries to regain their &#039;virginity&#039; to be accepted by the guy! you see how strong is that norm/taboo that a feminist kind of girl is ready to convert to a full saint! it is not about norm and women freedom, it is all about money.

soory I did not write it in an organised/logical way because im now in hurry. I understand what you mean in this post, but, i beleive this feature is more general than just skes related diffrences. 

cheers friend, I follow your post, I like your writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our admiration toward &#8216;Western Package&#8217; (the way that we &#8211; Iranians &#8211; define) is unique as you said, part of those we want parts we don&#8217;t want. But it is not confined to seks life. it includes many other aspects as well. Let say, start working at teenage, traveling on your own (again) as a teenage, women working as hard as men, at work business is more important that flirting! with colleagues, working so hard at work and not spending time at office for internet chatting and surfing (yes, these happens in west as well but you can not hide the low productive time in Iranian offices for average &#8216;karmand&#8217;!) economic/budget life style of average man in west comparing the luxurious one that all middle class families in iran always follow &#8211; read &#8216;cheshm o hamcheshmi&#8217;! women want to be independent and feminist and have same rights while looking for &#8216;mehrieh anchenani&#8217; and a land and apartment for &#8216;poshte ghabale&#8217; poeple reading books in buses and taxis (west) and poeple talking behind each other and spending time in beauty saloon for &#8216;arayesh khaliji&#8217; and such and such and high level of cosmatic surgeries and &#8230; </p>
<p>one more thing, what about those girls having seks with their boy-friends and talking about freedom, but as soon as they find a rich boy from religious/traditional family they completely change and go for those surgeries to regain their &#8216;virginity&#8217; to be accepted by the guy! you see how strong is that norm/taboo that a feminist kind of girl is ready to convert to a full saint! it is not about norm and women freedom, it is all about money.</p>
<p>soory I did not write it in an organised/logical way because im now in hurry. I understand what you mean in this post, but, i beleive this feature is more general than just skes related diffrences. </p>
<p>cheers friend, I follow your post, I like your writing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FORN STARS AND FROSTITUTES by Thenewcomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenewcomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I think I didn&#039;t express myself very clearly. My point is that we, as Iranians, adore and want some features of western society (like universities, science etc), but we totally reject other features, such as(seksual) freedom for women. I think they are all part and parcel of the same fabric: you can&#039;t have one without the other. You can&#039;t have advancement of science coupled with suppression of women. And we are total hypocrites as whole, when it comes to freedom (in every sphere- seks is just the most visible issue)  of women. We expect them to confirm to certain norms, pretend they are all virgins before marriage etc, when talking about wanting freedom all the time.

And the other point I am trying to make is that based on the experiences of these two, it seems that being a forn star and or frostitute is simply not taboo anymore. As a whole (and of course I know these are all generalizations, there are loads of very conservative families etc), a girl can say, look, I decided I want to be a forn star, a frostitute,  and not only does she NOT get a lot of negative reaction, she is actually applauded and everybody says, well good for you!!! I am not making any moral judgements about forn or frostitution- i am just saying it seems the taboo which these jobs had for centuries seems to be lifting.

I mean, I&#039;m not a forn-star or frostitute, but I don&#039;t dare have my own mom read my blog, simply because I express opinions which are different from hers. So yes, I envy a society where a girl can actually say, look mum and dad, I am/was a forn star, you can read about here, and her mum and dad say, oh my darling girl, we are so proud of you!!!!!!! Do you see what I mean? I am not free to express my own opinions to the people closest to me, whereas these girls get love and support for doing what is absolutely taboo for all centuries, as you say!!!

For the record, I also agree with you Iranian women and their families who view marraige as some sort of business contract, and yes, I don&#039;t see why that is so different from frostitution anyway. 

Thanks for the comments. And again for the record, I would have a heart attack if my daughter decided to do those jobs, of course I am part of the same fabric of Iranian society which I am criticizing!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I think I didn&#8217;t express myself very clearly. My point is that we, as Iranians, adore and want some features of western society (like universities, science etc), but we totally reject other features, such as(seksual) freedom for women. I think they are all part and parcel of the same fabric: you can&#8217;t have one without the other. You can&#8217;t have advancement of science coupled with suppression of women. And we are total hypocrites as whole, when it comes to freedom (in every sphere- seks is just the most visible issue)  of women. We expect them to confirm to certain norms, pretend they are all virgins before marriage etc, when talking about wanting freedom all the time.</p>
<p>And the other point I am trying to make is that based on the experiences of these two, it seems that being a forn star and or frostitute is simply not taboo anymore. As a whole (and of course I know these are all generalizations, there are loads of very conservative families etc), a girl can say, look, I decided I want to be a forn star, a frostitute,  and not only does she NOT get a lot of negative reaction, she is actually applauded and everybody says, well good for you!!! I am not making any moral judgements about forn or frostitution- i am just saying it seems the taboo which these jobs had for centuries seems to be lifting.</p>
<p>I mean, I&#8217;m not a forn-star or frostitute, but I don&#8217;t dare have my own mom read my blog, simply because I express opinions which are different from hers. So yes, I envy a society where a girl can actually say, look mum and dad, I am/was a forn star, you can read about here, and her mum and dad say, oh my darling girl, we are so proud of you!!!!!!! Do you see what I mean? I am not free to express my own opinions to the people closest to me, whereas these girls get love and support for doing what is absolutely taboo for all centuries, as you say!!!</p>
<p>For the record, I also agree with you Iranian women and their families who view marraige as some sort of business contract, and yes, I don&#8217;t see why that is so different from frostitution anyway. </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments. And again for the record, I would have a heart attack if my daughter decided to do those jobs, of course I am part of the same fabric of Iranian society which I am criticizing!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on FORN STARS AND FROSTITUTES by selfexpress</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi

1- is this analogy correct? I mean, even the &quot;university&quot;, &quot;science&quot;, &quot;technology&quot;, ... there and in Iran are differently perceived; let alone forn &amp; frostitude. Let&#039;s go one step backward, is the meaning of &quot;work&quot; (for the purpose of running a life) is the same there and in Iran, then consequently the forn and frostitude as a type of work?

2- yes, you are right. forn and frostitude is not accepted in Iran ; but Iranian women know some other things comparable to those (in my opinion, when it comes to finding a way to earn money and secure future financial life!); including &quot;eshveh oomadan&quot; and &quot;honare shohar toor kardan&quot;. statistically, maybe more iranin women are gaining a living in this way than western women in that way! as long as I know, families are very proud if their daughters have this art. I am not judging wether it is correct or not, but when it comes to earning a living by selling sex features, these two are comparable (my opinion)

3-  well, seks out of mariage (i.e a married one having seks out of marriage) is different from seks out of marriage (i.e. seks without marriage) and different from frostitude. even westerners have different reactions to the above categories.

4- forn and frostitude maybe taboo because generally in all history and cultures  it is women doing this job for men. have you heard a man do this to earn money? (let me confess, I heard it! I read this in a weblog long time ago that a young &#039;hot&#039; man in rich Tehran suburbs earn living in this way and has well-off female clients!)
 
5- not completely agree with this post

cheers</description>
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<p>1- is this analogy correct? I mean, even the &#8220;university&#8221;, &#8220;science&#8221;, &#8220;technology&#8221;, &#8230; there and in Iran are differently perceived; let alone forn &amp; frostitude. Let&#8217;s go one step backward, is the meaning of &#8220;work&#8221; (for the purpose of running a life) is the same there and in Iran, then consequently the forn and frostitude as a type of work?</p>
<p>2- yes, you are right. forn and frostitude is not accepted in Iran ; but Iranian women know some other things comparable to those (in my opinion, when it comes to finding a way to earn money and secure future financial life!); including &#8220;eshveh oomadan&#8221; and &#8220;honare shohar toor kardan&#8221;. statistically, maybe more iranin women are gaining a living in this way than western women in that way! as long as I know, families are very proud if their daughters have this art. I am not judging wether it is correct or not, but when it comes to earning a living by selling sex features, these two are comparable (my opinion)</p>
<p>3-  well, seks out of mariage (i.e a married one having seks out of marriage) is different from seks out of marriage (i.e. seks without marriage) and different from frostitude. even westerners have different reactions to the above categories.</p>
<p>4- forn and frostitude maybe taboo because generally in all history and cultures  it is women doing this job for men. have you heard a man do this to earn money? (let me confess, I heard it! I read this in a weblog long time ago that a young &#8216;hot&#8217; man in rich Tehran suburbs earn living in this way and has well-off female clients!)</p>
<p>5- not completely agree with this post</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOU ARE OPPRESSED, AND YOU ARE VERY CONFUSED by Thenewcomer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the strangest vomit sound I ever read!</description>
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		<title>Comment on YOU ARE OPPRESSED, AND YOU ARE VERY CONFUSED by teng</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, I saw her pic!
Hyooooooooooogh

As you said, I think their main goal is to become noted and contorversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, I saw her pic!<br />
Hyooooooooooogh</p>
<p>As you said, I think their main goal is to become noted and contorversial.</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOU ARE OPPRESSED, AND YOU ARE VERY CONFUSED by teng</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t heard the story.
You should also put her photo in the post.</description>
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You should also put her photo in the post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ODE TO GLUTTONY by Ranufera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranufera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you can totally count on me to babysit for the &quot;Liver Kabab&quot; day! I even have a copy of Narnia :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can totally count on me to babysit for the &#8220;Liver Kabab&#8221; day! I even have a copy of Narnia <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on CAPPUCCINO WITH POO by Jen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s hilarious - so true... I learned very quickly to always pack a backup outfit for Jane in our diaper bag. Never fail she always has a monster poo in the middle of dinner, walmart, the mall, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s hilarious &#8211; so true&#8230; I learned very quickly to always pack a backup outfit for Jane in our diaper bag. Never fail she always has a monster poo in the middle of dinner, walmart, the mall, etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ODE TO GLUTTONY by LiL SiS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LiL SiS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;:D&lt; 

 esghe mani to</description>
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<p> esghe mani to</p>
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		<title>Comment on YOU ARE OPPRESSED, AND YOU ARE VERY CONFUSED by Foxy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Wow! Wow! AWESOME. Beautifully Destructive. True. Truthful. Clever. 

Thank god I dono this Maryam Rana personally, but she sounds really disgusting. I&#039;m sorry in the 21st century we still have to bear such people with such horrible, sick attitudes. 

I know someday, some sweet day, this world will be void of any religion. May that day come sooner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Wow! Wow! AWESOME. Beautifully Destructive. True. Truthful. Clever. </p>
<p>Thank god I dono this Maryam Rana personally, but she sounds really disgusting. I&#8217;m sorry in the 21st century we still have to bear such people with such horrible, sick attitudes. </p>
<p>I know someday, some sweet day, this world will be void of any religion. May that day come sooner.</p>
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